Comments on: Faith (Repost) http://www.woodka.com/2008/02/24/faith/ All things change when we do -- Kukei Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:32:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: Nacho http://www.woodka.com/2008/02/24/faith/#comment-122106 Nacho Fri, 29 Feb 2008 03:26:11 +0000 http://www.woodka.com/2005/04/24/faith/#comment-122106 Oooh, I lke the phrase "happy horseshit." Gotta use that! Thanks, N Oooh, I lke the phrase “happy horseshit.” Gotta use that!

Thanks,

N

]]> By: Donna http://www.woodka.com/2008/02/24/faith/#comment-121698 Donna Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:28:22 +0000 http://www.woodka.com/2005/04/24/faith/#comment-121698 Yeah, I know. My favorite trick is to know more about it than they know themselves. ;^) Usually pisses people off and they leave you alone. ;^) Yeah, I know. My favorite trick is to know more about it than they know themselves. ;^) Usually pisses people off and they leave you alone. ;^)

]]> By: gerry rosser http://www.woodka.com/2008/02/24/faith/#comment-121681 gerry rosser Mon, 25 Feb 2008 17:53:13 +0000 http://www.woodka.com/2005/04/24/faith/#comment-121681 I was only using voodoo as an example, although my studies tend to indicate that voodoo is the same sort of happy horseshit as all other religions. I refer you in particular to "Divine Horsemen" by Maya Deren. If by "faith" one means keeping faith with a valid set of humanistic secular life principles, and living consistently with them, I am all in favor of it. Unfortunately, most people use the word to mean they've got a corner on some metaphysical crap and woe betide you if you disagree. I was only using voodoo as an example, although my studies tend to indicate that voodoo is the same sort of happy horseshit as all other religions. I refer you in particular to “Divine Horsemen” by Maya Deren.

If by “faith” one means keeping faith with a valid set of humanistic secular life principles, and living consistently with them, I am all in favor of it. Unfortunately, most people use the word to mean they’ve got a corner on some metaphysical crap and woe betide you if you disagree.

]]> By: Donna http://www.woodka.com/2008/02/24/faith/#comment-121675 Donna Mon, 25 Feb 2008 16:57:41 +0000 http://www.woodka.com/2005/04/24/faith/#comment-121675 I consider faith as in its more original definition of fidelity - being true to one's self, to the path leading to deeper discovery of the self. I also have faith in other people to the extent that I trust them, and faith in the Tao since it is indeed the truth and beauty of the natural order. Religion can only really be understood as metaphors for personal growth - if you follow the path laid out by those the religion is based upon, then you come to find their truths. Even "fairy tales" have some very deep psychic meanings, which are valuable teaching lessons. Eventually all must walk their own paths, of course, and find their own truths. Sadly many (most) people never grow beyond the simplistic faith they develop as children. When others faith is co-opted by religious leaders for the sake of their own power, that's where the trouble begins.... Oh, and if you look at how voodoo was actually practiced, it is a very different practice than you might imagine Voodoo was intended to help people work out their own personal demons, not to attack other people. It is a fascinating practice. I consider faith as in its more original definition of fidelity - being true to one’s self, to the path leading to deeper discovery of the self.

I also have faith in other people to the extent that I trust them, and faith in the Tao since it is indeed the truth and beauty of the natural order.

Religion can only really be understood as metaphors for personal growth - if you follow the path laid out by those the religion is based upon, then you come to find their truths. Even “fairy tales” have some very deep psychic meanings, which are valuable teaching lessons. Eventually all must walk their own paths, of course, and find their own truths. Sadly many (most) people never grow beyond the simplistic faith they develop as children.

When others faith is co-opted by religious leaders for the sake of their own power, that’s where the trouble begins….

Oh, and if you look at how voodoo was actually practiced, it is a very different practice than you might imagine Voodoo was intended to help people work out their own personal demons, not to attack other people. It is a fascinating practice.

]]> By: gerry rosser http://www.woodka.com/2008/02/24/faith/#comment-121655 gerry rosser Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:12:26 +0000 http://www.woodka.com/2005/04/24/faith/#comment-121655 "Faith" is no substitute for truth, for living based upon observed reality. "Faith" as the loaded word relates to religion, is a professed belief in mysticism, human-invented fantasies, in short, lies. Does having "faith" provide comfort to some? I suppose so, but maybe believing in elves, fairies, and other fancies does too. I'll never understand denigrating the truth and beauty of natural order as a source of comfort in favor of voodoo, not to put it too bluntly. “Faith” is no substitute for truth, for living based upon observed reality. “Faith” as the loaded word relates to religion, is a professed belief in mysticism, human-invented fantasies, in short, lies.

Does having “faith” provide comfort to some? I suppose so, but maybe believing in elves, fairies, and other fancies does too.

I’ll never understand denigrating the truth and beauty of natural order as a source of comfort in favor of voodoo, not to put it too bluntly.

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